GUS Daily Digest Sat, 15 Apr 95 9:37 PST Volume 21: Issue 15 Today's Topics: DOOM MUSIC files on ftp sites not really there? GUS Daily Digest V21 #14 Mitsumi 4x spin and Gus.... Origin are coming to their senses ROTT 12a Wacky wheels under DOS/OS/2 Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bo Stout Subject: DOOM MUSIC Message-ID: I just upgraded my gus max rev.1.8 to 1meg ram. The doom music seems to sound exactly the same. Do I need to use and command line parameters? Like "doom -gus1"? Anyways, I heard the music was supposed to be much better than the sb16 at least and would like to hear for myself. Only I don't seem to have something set up correctly. Also when I load certain demos, like Second Reality and a few others, they run slower with gus music enabled. But when I delete the set blaster line from the autoexec.bat they run the same speed with gus enabled as they did with it disabled (fast, as it should be with a gus). Something strange is going on here.... ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 95 20:56 -0700 From: Thomas Wong Subject: files on ftp sites not really there? gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu writes: > >Ok, forgive me if this is a really stupid question, but is there something >wrong with the ftp sites for GUS stuff? I've been looking for patches, and >when I look on all of the sites listed in the US, the index file is in the >sound/patches/files directory, but there's no other files? My appologies if >this was discussed recently...I just joined the list earlier today. Hhmm.... this is not a stupid question. You're right. ORST has been having problems mirroring files but looks like freedom is missing some files too. I'll get them to check on it. Meanwhile, wuarchive is ok. It's hard to get on but at odd hours in the evening, you can get on. And it does have everything. Otherwise, you'll have to access some of the other non North American sites then. Thanks for notifying us of the problem. Thomas. Ultrasound Internet Archive Services Admin ------------------------------ Date: Fri Apr 14 09:37:06 PDT 1995 From: gus-general-request@gaia.ucs.orst.edu (GUS Server) Subject: GUS Daily Digest V21 #14 GUS Daily Digest Fri, 14 Apr 95 9:37 PST Volume 21: Issue 14 Today's Topics: Dark Forces fix for gus Line-In... DOS games in OS/2 files on ftp sites not really there? games sound in os2... GUS and OS/2 and DOS Games Prince Machievelli Stunts & MegaEm subscribe What happened to the 16 bit tracker from Europe (with patch cache) Why hasn't this been implemented yet? Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:42:56 EST From: "Carl" Subject: Dark Forces fix for gus Line-In... I just wrote something to fix the problem with Dark Forces disabling your line in (incase you have a sound blaster)... I'm uploading it to EPAS now, it will be under DARKFIX.ZIP. It's much faster w/ digital effects on the SB. -- Carl Mueller cRaNeScUrEpJhArVeY WSU Detroit, Michigan :P "take away the clouds, give me colours, that's all i want now" ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:53 GMT+0100 From: RTHI@btma74.se.bel.alcatel.be Subject: Re: DOS games in OS/2 Hi, >About Doom under os/2: I wouldn't recommend even trying to get digital >sounds working under OS/2. It's a known problem, and I sincerely doubt it'll >ever be fixed. The not-official drivers from Robert Manley give you music via GUS and sound effects via PC-speaker. >On the bright side, it appears that a beta of Doom/2 was >finally released, so if decent drivers for the GUS ever appear for OS/2 I'm running this beta with the official drivers and it works fine with full sound and music:) >I just bought a GUS last night, so hopefully as time passes >I'll be able to make notes about whether various games work with it under >OS/2. My recommendation is that if you want to run DOS games under OS/2 you should try the not-official drivers (until Gravis comes with a newer driver?). Roland ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 95 22:12:55 EDT From: gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu Subject: files on ftp sites not really there? Message-ID: Ok, forgive me if this is a really stupid question, but is there something wrong with the ftp sites for GUS stuff? I've been looking for patches, and when I look on all of the sites listed in the US, the index file is in the sound/patches/files directory, but there's no other files? My appologies if this was discussed recently...I just joined the list earlier today. Gary Schrock gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:53:55 -0600 (MDT) From: "Ignatius Tam (Mr. Tam)" Subject: games sound in os2... Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 95 13:24:38 EDT > From: gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu > Subject: Re: dos games in OS/2 > Message-ID: > > window in 800x600 mode on the Pentium 90 I tried it on). I've only tried the > alpha drivers from Gravis under OS/2, and well, they were pretty > disappointing. Course, I've just bought my GUS last night, so I haven't had > much of a chance to try drivers out yet. gravis driver just crap... use manley's instead. actually, do you want to wait for a vapourware that's supposed to be released by Gravis or dig out 25 bucks for a 3rd party driver? well, consider manley's support midi playback under win-os2, i find that $25 is well-spent... > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:53:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: Lance Kalzus > Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V21 #12 > > On Wed, 12 Apr -1, h0mi wrote: > > I haven't had any luck particularly with this one. It's really annoying > since Xing only works on Xing-type MPEGs, so I can't get sound on > non-Xing MPEGs which have sound files with them :_(. this is the problem of Xing... > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 11:47:49 -0400 > From: "Barrie Rody" > Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V21 #12 > > Suggest you try Doom2 for OS/2. Its available via ftp at hobbes.nmsu.edu. you should state that that Doom/2 is an, should i say, alpha back in Oct, 94, which is very unstable at the time. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:48:50 -1000 > From: ndanylcz@Socrates.health.gov.sk.ca (Neil Danylczuk) > Subject: GUS working with Win95! > > Here's what I did: [zap...] not flaming you in particular, but why do everyone whine about installing a driver for an unreleased software? and don't forget, gravis driver is VxD... just my 0.02 happy easter... -iGnatius -- @------------------------------------------------------------------------@ | /\ /\ MarToPigGus!!(tm) YoUr DreaMing piGG meaT iS heRe! | | / -- \ conTaCT yOur lOCal deALeR!! __iGnatius tAm___ | | | . . u| e-mail: tam@cs.ualberta.ca / itam@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca | | | __ | personal homepage: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~tam | | | < .. > | GUS digest: http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~itam/digest.html | | \______/ phone: 403-433-3187 | @------------------------------------------------------------------------@ ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:37 -0400 From: DANTONIO@PROCESS.COM (Momentary Language, Sexual Situations) Subject: GUS and OS/2 and DOS Games >I also want to run Pirates Gold under a dos session, but since apparantly >the dos session doesn't have/emulate EMS ram emulation>, emuset/megaem don't work (and my serial mouse has yet to work >under a dos session despite using the mouse driver in my os2\mdos directory). Don't ever run either Mega 'Em or SBOS under OS/2! They try to talk directly to the hardware which OS/2 has a problem with (and well it should!). However, you're in luck...Robert Manley's fine (shareware) OS/2 driver for the GUS (when registered) includes DOS emulation of the Roland MPU-401 interface. So you can set up a DOS session and have your game play GM music through an MPU-401 and, voila, it works... I was particularly amazed that it would work with my Adaptec 1542C which uses the same hex addr as the 401. But since it's all virtualised, I could get WINOS2 sessions playing MIDI through the GUS no problemo... As for the mouse, one of the DOS session is MOUSE_EXCLUSIVE_ACCESS which you may want to set if you get double mice or no mice in a DOS session... And, of course, make sure OS/2 is loading both the mouse driver and the Virtual Mouse driver (vcom.sys and vmouse.sys, I think). There is a replacement mouse driver called rodent.sys on hobbes somewhere, as well. DDA ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 95 12:27:56 EDT From: Ryan Andrew Schutt Subject: Prince Machievelli Has anyone gotten the GUS/MAX to work with Prince Machievelli? And where can I get the new pmode mega-em? Thanks ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Marty Danko -Khertz- Subject: Stunts & MegaEm Hello gussers, Anyone have the game STUNTS, its a race car game, I think it is a takeoff from test drive 3 or somwthing anyway.... MegaEm sounds cool on this game (gusmax 1mb) but when you are driving the engine sounds and tire squeeling sounds are pianos and drums :) I know this is because if you had a sb the chezzy fm sounds can be manipulated to sound like a car engine while the gus uses digital insturments.... I have found the pacthes the game uses for the engine noises and made a custom patch for a replacemnt but this is a lot of work! First off I had to figure out at what notes the game would trigger to sound the engine iddleing, the find the note for when it is running and how many ocatves it waz using..... this sucks...(btw if you have a real MT-32 or sound canvanse what happens the same thing?) why hasne gravis relased some sort of program to help people in finding and helping to do this? ---------------------- Marty Danko mdanko@dhs.ucdavis.edu ---------------------- ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 21:49:48 BST From: Hay Y J Subject: subscribe ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 9:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: KOZARD@uvphys.phys.UVic.CA Subject: What happened to the 16 bit tracker from Europe (with patch cache) What happened to that new wonder tracker (~year ago) that was for the MAX with 1 MB that could use unlimited samples (by cache) ? There were a couple demos, but where is the actual finished thing ? Cheers Ken ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:29:21 PDT From: Rick Cole Subject: Re: Why hasn't this been implemented yet? > Imho, this is almost -more- important than getting > 1 meg on the GUS. > > Megaem needs to check for which patches have been used in this game already, > and load those -first- before loading others. When an instrument is used in > a midi file or something, check a size 300 bit array to see if that instrument > has been used before or not. if not, mark it. The AIL 3.10? drivers (usail310.zip), as used by System Shock CD, do exactly this. ----------------------------- From: (null) Technical notes on the driver^M -----------------------------^M The MIDI driver implements patch cacheing. It attempts to optimize the amount^M of patch cacheing done in a game by keeping track of what instruments are^M used throughout the game. When the driver shuts down, it writes out a small^M file called .GUS. This lists all the instruments ever used^M while playing the game. When the driver initializes the next time, it^M reads this file, and pre-loads all the needed patches. This prevents the^M "pausing" that can happen while cacheing patches during the gameplay.^M ^M The driver also has one other feature to minimize the amount of patch^M cacheing during gameplay. If there was not enough room to load any more^M patches needed, the driver will switch to a lower patch loading resolution.^M It will only step down one resolution per init-deinit cycle of the driver, so^M it may take a few sessions of the game before optimal performance is achieved.^ M The first step down loads the patches as 8-bit. Then they will be loaded at^M half the sampling frequency if there is still not enough room for all of them.^ M This flag is also stored in the .GUS file.^M ^M Any patch that cannot be loaded will not be heard (no re-mapping is done).^M You may experience a lot of notes missing the first time you play a game^M on a low memory card (such as 256K). After you quit and play a few more times^M the notes should all play (unless the particular midi file uses a great deal^M of patches). The driver also loads the patches from low to high patch numbers,^ M and flushes the patches from high to low patch numbers. In real terms this^M means that Melodic patches will get loading precedence over percussion^M patches.^M ^M The driver gets the list of patches from the ULTRADIR\ultrasnd.ini file, and^M looks for the patches in the ULTRADIR\midi directory.^M --- Rick ----------------------------- End of GUS Daily Digest V21 #14 ******************************* To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP Sites Archive Directories --------- ------------------- Main N.American Site: archive.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/ibmpc/ultrasound freedom.nmsu.edu pub/ultrasound Main Asian Site: nctuccca.edu.tw PC/ultrasound Main European Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound Main Australian Site: ftp.mpx.com.au /ultrasound/general /ultrasound/submit South African Site: ftp.sun.ac.za /pub/packages/ultrasound Submissions: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound/submit Newly Validated Files: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound Mirrors: garbo.uwasa.fi mirror/ultrasound ftp.st.nepean.uws.edu.au pc/ultrasound ftp.luth.se pub/msdos/ultrasound Gopher Sites Menu directory ------------ -------------- Main Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound WWW Pages --------- Main Site: http://www.xmission.com/~grue/gus.html Main European Site: http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/ultrasound/ Main Australian Site: http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/general/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/submit/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/gravis.html Mirrors: http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/pub/pc/ultrasound/ GUS digest: http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~itam/digest.html MailServer For Archive Access: Email to Email to New Submit Files Mailing List: Email to with content "subscribe epas-list " Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (programmers, musicians, etc.). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Sinclair Shuit Subject: Mitsumi 4x spin and Gus.... Hey there Gussers, I have the opportunity to buy a mitsumi quad spin for a very reasonable price... Now the question is, will it work with my GUS CLASSIC (TM)... If so, where do I acquire a daughter board, and how much will it cost. Is there a daughter board available??... Sinclair |\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/| | sshuit@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca Sinclair Shuit | | Geeky .sig joke : Trent Reznor + TCP/IP = NINternet | |\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/|_|\|||/| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 95 22:02:05 METDST From: Broderdue Subject: Origin are coming to their senses Looks like being active helps... This is the reply I got from origin. There are probably several of these replies on todays digest, but I want to make sure that it comes through so.... > > A number of techs in this department are quite fond of how the GUS sounds in > native mode. We've become intimately familiar with its proprietary makeup... > but we are still interested in seeing if we can patch Bioforge (no date yet, > but it is underway). > Wing 3 did support a much wider variety of sound cards, and did a great job > with them. Hopefully our future releases will be just as broad. > > Cinco > Origin CS > Let's just hope this holds true..... -- \//// |. .| ( - ) Broderdue ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bo Stout Subject: ROTT 12a Message-ID: Hello all, I installed rott ( Rise of the Tirad, SHAREWARE ) on my system lat night. IT runs nice, real fast (486/66/VLB) and the music is about 10 to 15 times better than the doom crap. However I can't get the sound effects to play through my gus max 1meg. It has a selection for gus sound effects in the sound setup but it doesn't work. Anyone have any ideas or experience with this game and the gus? I'm sure as hell not going to buy it if it won't work properly with the gus ( as is my policy concering ALL games ). In short: SFX won't work with gus max/1meg in ROTT 12a. HELP! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 12:00:34 +0200 From: Piet van Oostrum Subject: Wacky wheels under DOS/OS/2 Does anybody know how to get sound out of WW in a DOS session under OS/2? On the GUS of course. -- Piet van Oostrum http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~piet ------------------------------ End of GUS Daily Digest V21 #15 ******************************* To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP Sites Archive Directories --------- ------------------- Main N.American Site: archive.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/ibmpc/ultrasound freedom.nmsu.edu pub/ultrasound Main Asian Site: nctuccca.edu.tw PC/ultrasound Main European Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound Main Australian Site: ftp.mpx.com.au /ultrasound/general /ultrasound/submit South African Site: ftp.sun.ac.za /pub/packages/ultrasound Submissions: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound/submit Newly Validated Files: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound Mirrors: garbo.uwasa.fi mirror/ultrasound ftp.st.nepean.uws.edu.au pc/ultrasound ftp.luth.se pub/msdos/ultrasound Gopher Sites Menu directory ------------ -------------- Main Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound WWW Pages --------- Main Site: http://www.xmission.com/~grue/gus.html Main European Site: http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/ultrasound/ Main Australian Site: http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/general/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/submit/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/gravis.html Mirrors: http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/pub/pc/ultrasound/ GUS digest: http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~itam/digest.html MailServer For Archive Access: Email to Email to New Submit Files Mailing List: Email to with content "subscribe epas-list " Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (programmers, musicians, etc.).